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Author Topic: Do corporations have "thumbprints"? [NO!!!]  (Read 626 times)
No Jurisdiction
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« on: May 03, 2009, 10:06:21 PM »

Many people on the internet have decided to war against me for exposing the truth about the "person=corporation" and "strawman" falsities. These people claim that all regulatory statutes only apply to "corporations" and the state preys upon our ignorance of the term "person" to accomplish this. They say that "Traffic Tickets" are only meant for corporations and in our ignorance we substitute ourselves. I ask them once again to please counter with whatever proof they can the following:

      
   
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California Vehicle Code Section 40303

(a) Whenever a person is arrested for any of the offenses
listed in subdivision (b) and the arresting officer is not required
to take the person without unnecessary delay before a magistrate, the
arrested person shall, in the judgment of the arresting officer,
either be given a 10 days' notice to appear, or be taken without
unnecessary delay before a magistrate within the county in which the
offense charged is alleged to have been committed and who has
jurisdiction of the offense and is nearest or most accessible with
reference to the place where the arrest is made. The officer may
require that the arrested person, if he or she does not have
satisfactory identification, place a right thumbprint, or a left
thumbprint or fingerprint if the person has a missing or disfigured
right thumb, on the 10 days' notice to appear when a 10 days' notice
is provided. Except for law enforcement purposes relating to the
identity of the arrestee, a person or entity shall not sell, give
away, allow the distribution of, include in a database, or create a
database with, this print.
(b) Subdivision (a) applies to the following offenses:
(1) Section 10852 or 10853, relating to injuring or tampering with
a vehicle.
(2) Section 23103 or 23104, relating to reckless driving.
(3) Subdivision (a) of Section 2800, insofar as it relates to a
failure or refusal of the driver of a vehicle to stop and submit to
an inspection or test of the lights upon the vehicle pursuant to
Section 2804, that is punishable as a misdemeanor.
(4) Subdivision (a) of Section 2800, insofar as it relates to a
failure or refusal of the driver of a vehicle to stop and submit to a
brake test that is punishable as a misdemeanor.
(5) Subdivision (a) of Section 2800, relating to the refusal to
submit vehicle and load to an inspection, measurement, or weighing as
prescribed in Section 2802 or a refusal to adjust the load or obtain
a permit as prescribed in Section 2803.
(6) Subdivision (a) of Section 2800, insofar as it relates to a
driver who continues to drive after being lawfully ordered not to
drive by a member of the Department of the California Highway Patrol
for violating the driver's hours of service or driver's log
regulations adopted pursuant to subdivision (a) of Section 34501.
(7) Subdivision (b), (c), or (d) of Section 2800, relating to a
failure or refusal to comply with a lawful out-of-service order.
(8) Section 20002 or 20003, relating to duties in the event of an
accident.
(9) Section 23109, relating to participating in a speed contest or
exhibition of speed.
(10) Section 14601, 14601.1, 14601.2, or 14601.5, relating to
driving while the privilege to operate a motor vehicle is suspended
or revoked.
(11) When the person arrested has attempted to evade arrest.
(12) Section 23332, relating to persons upon vehicular crossings.

(13) Section 2813, relating to the refusal to stop and submit a
vehicle to an inspection of its size, weight, and equipment.
(14) Section 21461.5, insofar as it relates to a pedestrian who,
after being cited for a violation of Section 21461.5, is, within 24
hours, again found upon the freeway in violation of Section 21461.5
and thereafter refuses to leave the freeway after being lawfully
ordered to do so by a peace officer and after having been informed
that his or her failure to leave could result in his or her arrest.
(15) Subdivision (a) of Section 2800, insofar as it relates to a
pedestrian who, after having been cited for a violation of
subdivision (a) of Section 2800 for failure to obey a lawful order of
a peace officer issued pursuant to Section 21962, is within 24 hours
again found upon the bridge or overpass and thereafter refuses to
leave after being lawfully ordered to do so by a peace officer and
after having been informed that his or her failure to leave could
result in his or her arrest.
(16) Section 21200.5, relating to riding a bicycle while under the
influence of an alcoholic beverage or a drug.
(17) Section 21221.5, relating to operating a motorized scooter
while under the influence of an alcoholic beverage or a drug.
(c) (1) A person contesting a charge by claiming under penalty of
perjury not to be the person issued the notice to appear may choose
to submit a right thumbprint, or a left thumbprint if the person has
a missing or disfigured right thumb, to the issuing court through his
or her local law enforcement agency for comparison with the one
placed on the notice to appear. A local law enforcement agency
providing this service may charge the requester no more than the
actual costs. The issuing court may refer the thumbprint submitted
and the notice to appear to the prosecuting attorney for comparison
of the thumbprints. When there is no thumbprint or fingerprint on the
notice to appear, or when the comparison of thumbprints is
inconclusive, the court shall refer the notice to appear or copy
thereof back to the issuing agency for further investigation, unless
the court finds that referral is not in the interest of justice.
   
      


So these legal entities that are not "men and women"... how do they get thumbs and fingers?
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« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2009, 03:20:04 PM »

I for one choose education over war.  However, under appropriate circumstances I will use all measure of force and power at my disposal to defend myself.

That stated, I choose to offer what I believe is truth.  In doing so I don't believe it's necessary to spill blood.  If what I offer is not true then I will stand corrected at the appropriate time.   Until I am presented with evidence contrary to the source material I have reviewed and interpreted I maintain my position.   I do not wish to war.  I wish to determine what is true and what is not true.  I believe this can be accomplished in a civil manner.
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« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2009, 07:28:59 PM »



1. An individual human being consisting of body and soul.
8. In law, an artificial person, is a corporation or body politic.

The answer to your question is Duality
and it brings you both Pain and Pleasure


No steel. The common law says that person meanns a man or woman unless the context suggests otherwise.
You need to show that context each and every time you want to say that "person" does not include men and women, per Bouvier's first definition of "person".
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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2009, 12:01:33 PM »


Common law definitions of words are given to words even in an Administrative hearing, or a statutory court unless there is language indicating a departure from common law.

As far as the law pertaining to "Artificial persons"... please tell me how an artificial person has a thumbprint, and also how it can "sign" things.
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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2009, 02:33:28 PM »

I think you should consider that Artificial Entities are not capable of doing ANYTHING! Only their officers can. This law is specifically asking for a "thumbprint to be placed" [An Artificial entitiy has no thumb, and cannot "place" anything.] and "a signature to be made" [An artificial entity has no signiture and that is why officers who sign for that entity usually place the word "By:" in front of their signatures.
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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2009, 04:38:54 PM »


so what I am hearing from you is denial that unlawful people may be running a fake virtual reality to fool people for power, control and wealth,

No I am not. I am denying that it is done by confusing the terms "person" and "artificial entity". There are two different terms for a reason.
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