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EZrhythm
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« on: June 10, 2010, 10:23:17 PM »

...at least as a start in California anyway.

California Court of Appeals has opinion-ed the evidence as HEARSAY!

YES, you heard that correctly, HEARSAY, I SAY!



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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2010, 06:45:47 PM »

...at least in the 9th district anyway.

California Court of Appeals has opinion-ed the evidence as HEARSAY!

YES, you heard that correctly, HEARSAY, I SAY!





Good find. They were going to try to implement those in places like Billings Montana, but it never happened.

Thank you for posting that case, It may have it's use inthe future.
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« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2010, 08:42:17 AM »

I don't see the find. Are we still doing this? Are we still posting that there are RADICAL decisions and then not posting SQUAT as to where to find them?

Until I get a case name or book and page number this is going down as HEARSAY, I SAY!
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« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2010, 08:50:24 AM »

This is what I found:

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"A decision issued last month by the Appellate Division of the Superior Court in Sacramento County, California would invalidate at least eighty percent of red light camera tickets in Sacramento—if drivers were to bring their case to court and contest their citations. A three judge panel found the photo system did not generate evidence sufficient to convict local motorist David Graham, 38, of running a red light. “Sometimes you can fight city hall,” said Graham. “Now those bozos will have to give me back every penny of the $371 they bilked me for the ticket.”

On March 2, 2008, Graham’s 1995 Oldsmobile was photographed by a red light camera at the intersection of Power Inn Road and Folsom Boulevard. However, unlike most newer programs in California, the angle of the red light camera photographs in Sacramento County do not actually show the signal light in the photograph itself. Instead, a data box superimposed on the citation photo shows the letter “R” which indicates that the signal was red, according to Affiliated Computer Services (ACS), the for-profit company that operates the program. That was not sufficient evidence for the appellate court.

“Without photographs showing appellant committing the violation, the system must be proven reliable beyond a reasonable doubt in order for the people to meet their burden of proof,” Presiding Judge, Maryanne G. Gilliard, wrote."


A California court, and in California's 3rd judicial district, not the federal's ninth.
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« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2010, 01:32:28 AM »

That's correct, it wouldn't be the 9th District. I edited my post.

Interesting, what you found (Sacramento) is different than the case I posted. (Orange County) 'Looks like the subject has been hit on two fronts.



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« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2010, 01:21:27 PM »

Thank you for the edit EZ. I appreciate efforts to keep info on here accurate.

HOWEVER!!!!!

Could you please include the Orange County case number? Party names? If it was the appellate DISTRICT of orange county OR the Appellate department of the Orange County Superior court.

There are judicial appellate districts in California. Sacramento is appellate district 3, however the Sacramento case did not come from the appellate court of district 3, the case came from Sacramento County Superior Court Appellate Division. Every superior court in California has its own appellate power, however it is inferior to the "district" appeals court in that no other court needs to consider it as binding case law.

So, Case number and/or party names if you can please.
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« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2010, 10:31:57 PM »

I only have the info that is on the PDF that I attached on the first post. ;-)
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